03
Aug
07

american legion cemetary

it is an understatement to say that i am no patriot. the powerful in this country use patriotism to justify violence and war. the image above is an attempt to link patriotism with death. i anticipate an alternative interpretation by most such as reverence and respect for the soldiers.

while i do respect the soldiers who have died, mainly because they are victims of our foreign policy, the last time american soldiers have fought for our freedom was during the revolutionary war. with the exception of the civil war, in which people fought and died in part for the freedom of blacks, all other military action has been self-serving, though almost always in the name of patriotism and freedom.

this series was taken at the american legion cemetery in tampa. i was getting my company car worked on and decided to go for a walk. i forgot that this was right next door to the dealership. i’ve found photography to be a great way to pass the time when other distractions are not available.

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10 Responses to “american legion cemetary”


  1. 1 RB
    August 3, 2007 at 7:45 pm

    Much love to you DL and your photos. These are awesome and tasteful. Nice way to spend downtime waiting on the car.

    I do disagree on part of your commentary though…no surprise there :) My only contention is that I would add World War 2 in the mix of wars for freedom. The others, sadly, were the foreign policy mistakes of proud arrogant men.

  2. 2 flashkube
    August 3, 2007 at 7:51 pm

    I did not mean to say that freedom from tyranny was not sometimes a result of our policy. Certainly our involvement in WWII made it possible for the allied forces to overthrow a vicious mass murderer, but we did not enter the war for that purpose. The U.S. resisted involvement until it was attacked directly and blatantly.

  3. 3 DO
    August 5, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    I didn’t read the comments before i went out an got this link but i am going to post it anyway.

    http://www.pearlharbormemorial.com/site/pp.asp?c=fqLQJ2NNG&b=238985

    you are right in a lot of ways and i refuse to debate you but you have to admit that its better then some of your other options. In fact if it sooo bad here and you hate the politics of the USA government i have found you some new hot spots :)

    1. Sierra Leone: It’s the poorest country in Africa and its the poorest country in the world, it has very poor standards of living and the average life expectancy for males is 35 and for females its 38 it has no infrastructure a dirt poor and run down useless economy and its a war torn country and is very dangerous and it doesn’t have a proper health care system and only the capital city Freetown has hospitals which are very run down.

    2. Somalia: It’s a dirt poor corrupt violent and chaotic country in anarchy and its extremely poor and extremely dangerous and half the population are starving.

    3. Nigeria: It has an extremely high crime rate and an extremely high murder rate and is very poor and very corrupt and has very poor standards of living.

    4. Liberia: It’s war torn violent and chaotic and crime ridden and is extremely poor and unstable.

    5. Swaziland: it has the worst aids epidemic in the world and its population is on the verge of extinction due to the aids epidemic and of course like most African countries it’s poor and corrupt and unstable.

    6. Iraq: What a hell hole its become with the on going war and political and economic instability.

    7. Afghanistan: It’s a war ridden extremely impoverished dessert wasteland s h i t hole of a country.

    8. Colombia: It’s so dangerous there that you cant even walk down the street in broad daylight without having the fear of being robbed or shot or stabbed and its a country which is ruined by poverty crime drugs civil warfare and corruption and it has the worlds highest murder rate and one of the worlds highest kidnapping rates to and living there would be a nightmare.

    9. Algeria: Is extremely dangerous and has allot of terrorism and crime and lots of barbarism and horrific killings.

    10. Zimbabwe: That poor country has become an absolute basket case and its all because of that evil tyrant Mugabe who has completely screwed up the country by causing the economy to collapse and by causing everything else to collapse such as the living conditions health care education system, and his land reform policy where all white farmers have been kicked off their lands and the lands where then given to black squatters which have caused the farm lands to turn into waste has caused an outbreak of famine throughout the entire country and half the population of the country are now starving because of it. Not only that the country is a dictatorship and people are constantly being rounded up arrested beaten tortured and executed for expressing their freedom and for opposing the government.

    night night…

  4. 4 flashkube
    August 6, 2007 at 12:51 am

    Ah…the old “our situation is good because others are worse” argument. lol. Similar to the “our country murdering other humans is ok because other countries do it” argument. I realize that I am way left of most but I don’t believe violence is justified for any reason.

    And I’m way ahead of your next argument: yes I would attempt to defend my family if they were threatened physically but I would later be utterly disgusted by my lack of courage and the sheer selfishness.

    BTW we have ghettos and slums right here in the U.S. that sound a lot like the countries you describe above. Just because you are not experiencing all of that in your nice suburban neighborhood…

    …this is great! Honestly, I thought I was surrounded by a bunch of lemmings. It is stimulating to know that you guys have something to say about anything at all. Even my Dad emailed me with his thoughts. This is the kind of discourse we should be having. Bring it on. lol :)

    peace…and i mean that.

  5. 5 DO
    August 6, 2007 at 6:41 pm

    Actually that wasn’t going to be my next argument. I am not a wordsmith like you and Randy so all I can do is be blunt about how this made me feel when I saw this. I was really disappointed in the correlation you made between our honored soldiers that have fallen in combat and what you assume is the price we pay for our freedom.

    http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-asstd/not-free.htm

    Soldiers join the military because they are looking for a better life. They are highly trained professions that aren’t mislead by any delusion of granger. Please remember I am speaking from experience at this point. No soldier goes into the military thinking that if they carry a guy they won’t be killed or at least shot at. That is again a choice they have made. That would be my first point – The ability to of choose. That ability comes to you from the sacrifice that countless soldiers that knew full well what they were getting into when they enlisted.

    I think your next argument will be something along the lines of Vietnam and the US need to be the world police. 2 things, one take a look at this site.

    http://www.vietnampix.com/faces.htm.

    2nd how long do you really think it would take the bullshit crap that happens in other countries to spill over to the streets of the US if we didn’t intervene. Stop for a moment and image with me for a moment the out cry from the US people and people from other nations begging us to get involved in a conflict that was out of control and hundreds of thousand of people were dying and then once we got involved US citizens decided the government was wrong in acting on what was asked of them. Hard to believe that would ever happen. Right? Vietnam, Korea, Somalia and the list goes on and on. I believe most people would rather have any battle 3000 miles away instead of down town Tampa. On a side note, there is only one time in America’s recent history that US soil has been fired on by a naval ship or plane (not including Hawaii). That was during WWII and a lone Japanese ship was lost and by itself fired several shot along the California coast.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20040531/ai_n12784706

    Maybe it’s my unacquainted education or just plain my ignorant self, but what do I care if someone is listing to my calls. What do I care if they photograph me or do facial scans. As long as I feel safe and my kids are protected from the bastards that want to harm us then all means scan away or listing to my wife yelling at me for something stupid. I want to be free to have a kid no matter what the sex, I want to be free to walk down the streets and not worry about being shot or having kids kidnapped for a ransom.

    Do I agree with everything that this country does – absolutely not. Do I think that we should be spending MY hard earn tax dollars on other countries when we can not educate, cloth or feed the people we have here – absolutely not. Do I think we should allow illegal aliens across the boards to take jobs and resource dollars away from the American people – absolutely not.

    But if you if disagree with the fact that I said that we shouldn’t be spending money on other countries then would have to agree we have the right to protect our investment and so we would have to have soldiers to protect that investment at any cost. At that point you would know that those soldiers would be put in jeopardy and might die. Which bring us back to the beginning, protecting our lives, our investments and our way of life is what these falling soldiers gave there life’s so we might be free no matter the cost – no matter what fight was about. So you and I can live our lives the way we want.

    At last – I resign to my conviction and beg for your understanding that no matter what you and I believe at the end of the day its all about the freedoms of the America people and no matter the distaste that war leaves in you mouth, the burden on your heart, our children are safe and sound and I would refer you to my belief that love – not war is always the best answer unless the choices others make infringes on my freedoms and causes harm to my friends and family. In which case all bets are off (period).

  6. 6 DO
    August 6, 2007 at 6:48 pm

    why do i feel like i am the only one writing essays here? :)

  7. 7 Susan
    August 6, 2007 at 10:05 pm

    Many of those countries you mentioned are oddly located on the same continent – Africa. Funnier still – the USA could be helping those countries. Instead, we’re busy adding more to the list…

  8. 8 flashkube
    August 7, 2007 at 12:01 am

    DO, for some reason it wouldn’t let you post that without me approving it?!? I guess it was because of the length. Sorry about that. No censorship intended.

    To address a few of your points:

    The government primarily prays on the financial desperation of the poor to fill the ranks of our military. Recruiters often promise things that are never delivered. To say broadly that 18 year olds know exactly what they are getting into is just false.

    It is appropriate that you mention the idea of other shit spilling over into our country. In 67 the U.S. took the side of Israel during and after the six day war. This was our first major interference in the middle east one in which we are now paying a hefty price. In 79 the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. The U.S. with the help of Saudi Arabia assembled a resistance group headed by the son of a wealthy Saudi construction worker. His name was Bin Laden. Bin Laden and the resistance were able to force the Soviets back using U.S. rockets and other military support. In the name of suppressing communism, we spit in the face of Muslims and then funded and supplied what was to become the largest Muslim terrorist organization in the world. So many in this country ask why they hate us. The answer is available at your local library in the history section. My point is simply that we are not innocent victims of some arbitrary evil. 9/11 was a retaliation plain and simple.

    It seems that you are making the argument that we went into Vietnam and Korea to liberate people. That is revisionist history. Our entire involvement in Asia during the Cold War was based on the trumped up threat of communism. These countries were simply pawns in a global chess match by post-war powers. The U.S. didn’t give two shits about the Vietnamese or the Koreans.

    Frankly, terrorism is the new communism. There are two tools that the Bush regime has used to control the people. One of them is fear-mongering, such as the so-called “war on terror” and the color-coded threat levels. The other we can discuss as soon as one of you tells me that the gay rights movement is any different than the civil rights movement.;)

    Though it may appear otherwise, I count DO and RB as good friends no matter our political differences. I personally enjoy discussions like this but if either of you don’t just tell me to shut my pie hole.

    Cheers.

  9. 9 flashkube
    August 7, 2007 at 12:07 am

    Oh, I also wanted to say that I think it humurous that this was started because I photographed the gravestones of some old men who probably died of shit like broken hips and pancreatic cancer. Most of them didn’t actually die in combat lol.

  10. 10 DO
    August 7, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    lol good point :)


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